Because unless I want to hang around Williamsburg's numerous gay bars, I don't really get to see a lot of hot guy on guy around here.
This made me laugh out loud. The thought of you in a coordinated pink outfit and gaze hiding gigantic sunglasses hanging around colonial gay bars (which I'm assuming are few and far between) trying to spy on guys making out is hilarious.
Jack and I were talking about this today, and she was saying in addition to the misogyny in slash, there is also a repitition and approval of several stereotypes about gay men. Jack mentioned a doujinshi (the fanfiction of manga) that as a climax to a happy ending has one guy saying to the other: "You've ruined me for everyone else, I can no longer find women sexually desirable, and I think this is a game for you as you are a girl-virgin and could leave me for a woman, but please don't fuck with me because I love you." The themes of gays as recruiters leading what were happy straight men away from heterosexuality and then "ruining them" for women, also the idea that gay people just haven't found that right person of the opposite sex yet (although this usually takes the form of the gay(er) one fearing being left for a woman) run rampant through this little scene. (I have a funny story about that I'll have to tell you next time we talk) And although this is an extreme case, this occurs in milder forms in a lot of slash.
What's interesting is that this seems to run counter to other themes in slash of the main characters being heterosexual or quasi-bisexual except for this one special person, whom they have a relationship primarily based on emotional connection, to which the sex is not about finding their bodies desirable necessarily, but finding them as a person desirable because they love them. The amount of times I've read things along the lines of "The fact that is was [insert name here]'s [insert body part of choice]'s doing [insert sex act of choice] to him was [insert positive adjective]..." is uncountable.
I wonder if both sets of themes could occur in one story? That would be one f-ed up story.
So, meeting your ramblings with ones of my own...hope you enjoyed them!
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Date: 2005-01-31 09:29 pm (UTC)Because unless I want to hang around Williamsburg's numerous gay bars, I don't really get to see a lot of hot guy on guy around here.
This made me laugh out loud. The thought of you in a coordinated pink outfit and gaze hiding gigantic sunglasses hanging around colonial gay bars (which I'm assuming are few and far between) trying to spy on guys making out is hilarious.
Jack and I were talking about this today, and she was saying in addition to the misogyny in slash, there is also a repitition and approval of several stereotypes about gay men. Jack mentioned a doujinshi (the fanfiction of manga) that as a climax to a happy ending has one guy saying to the other: "You've ruined me for everyone else, I can no longer find women sexually desirable, and I think this is a game for you as you are a girl-virgin and could leave me for a woman, but please don't fuck with me because I love you." The themes of gays as recruiters leading what were happy straight men away from heterosexuality and then "ruining them" for women, also the idea that gay people just haven't found that right person of the opposite sex yet (although this usually takes the form of the gay(er) one fearing being left for a woman) run rampant through this little scene. (I have a funny story about that I'll have to tell you next time we talk) And although this is an extreme case, this occurs in milder forms in a lot of slash.
What's interesting is that this seems to run counter to other themes in slash of the main characters being heterosexual or quasi-bisexual except for this one special person, whom they have a relationship primarily based on emotional connection, to which the sex is not about finding their bodies desirable necessarily, but finding them as a person desirable because they love them. The amount of times I've read things along the lines of "The fact that is was [insert name here]'s [insert body part of choice]'s doing [insert sex act of choice] to him was [insert positive adjective]..." is uncountable.
I wonder if both sets of themes could occur in one story? That would be one f-ed up story.
So, meeting your ramblings with ones of my own...hope you enjoyed them!
-Meg